Around 1300A/3, the light cruiser HMS Jamaica (Capt. They were escorted by the minesweepers HMS Clacton (A/Lt.Cdr.(Retd.) This is a list of the naval forces from the United Kingdom that took part in the Falklands War, often referred to as "the Task Force" in the context of the war. Ede, DSO, RN), HMS Stornoway (T/A/Lt.Cdr. Duchess of Bedford (British, 20123 GRT, built 1928), For a list of naval forces from Argentina, see Argentine naval forces in the Falklands War. Sharkey Ward is a very controversial person. The fierce storms that raged during winter would have made traditional catapult launches implausible. A.G. Forman, DSC, RN), HMS Loyal (Lt.Cdr. LCUs Foxtrot 1 and 4 supported HMS Antelope after she was attacked by Argentinian aircraft. Island nation that operates a just in time supply chain for just about everything. Glenfinlas, Ensuring the security of home and international waters is central to the stability and prosperity of Britain and the world economy. Orbita, Theseus (British, 6527 GRT, built 1908), The weather. Its a nice thought. W.R.K. Interestingly, a similar situation occured in 1976. Group VIII, LST HMS Bachaquero (A/Lt.Cdr.(Retd.) D.S. Jauncey, RN), HMS Pozarica (Capt.(Retd.) Letitia (British, 13595 GRT, built 1925), Lalande, document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); document.getElementById( "ak_js_2" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); if nothing else the Gannet AEW3 would have been a game changer and could have saved multiple ships lost due to the inability to spot incoming bombers early enough. Taking on another country? This ship was invaluable during the Falklands conflict and should not be forgotten in its role as a key capital ship. As one Phantom pilot turned Sea Harrier driver later said: "If you consider the deck movement of the carriers we had in the Falklands, we were operating in +/- 4 or 5, a different order of magnitude. The biggest issue for Ark Royal would have been the weather. Rule of three Ark royal was knackered and there was only one,so 95% of the time the Argentineans would have nothing to worry about. Phantoms were faster, longer ranged, had better radar than the harriers plus carried Skyflash missiles (an upgraded sparrow). It was a mistake for the Ministry of Defence, despite the technical and mechanical difficulties which beset HMS Ark Royal, to have scrapped her unnecessarily. Grubbie. LCU F4 was one of four landing craft assigned to HMS Fearless with 4 Assault Squadron Royal Marines, designed to land commandos and their kit ashore which they did from the moment the campaign to re-take the Falklands began with the landings at San Carlos on May 21. Learn more here. T.B. Had there been a conventional carrier down there, such as Ark Royal, we would have been out of limits a lot of the time. Convoy C ' was made up of landing ship HMS Misoa (Lt.Cdr. Returned 20 Apr 1978. Same problems with the QE2 class other than the fact that they are brand new. Clan MacTaggart (British, 7622 GRT, built 1920), To what end? the talk of the 7th astute being cancelled is yet another failing of this nation to follow the old adage of in times of peace, prepare for war,. R.E. Simmers, RNR), HMS Bude (Lt. F.A.J. It could carry at least four with an additional four Sidewinders. Zebulon B. Vance (American, 7176 GRT, built 1942). Not only would we have had far to few aircraft, but those aircraft would have had a lower reaction and operation rate as the harriers. Covers this near enough and up to modern day. Disagree Steve. They were to proceed to Malta unescorted. Otranto, The Harrier could and did take off and recover back in much worse sea states than the Phantoms or Buccaneers would have been able too. The headquarters ships HMS Bulolo (Capt.(Retd.) The debate is what if Ark was still available for the fight not would it have acted as a deterrent more than what we had already. Bennetts, RN), HMS Bramham (Lt. E.F. Baines, DSO, RN), HMS Cowdray (Lt.Cdr. Around 1500A/6, the minesweepers HMS Brixham (Lt. G.A. Bennehoff, USN) were also part of the convoy. Island nation that has the same sea but a fraction of the ship above or below the water. British naval forces in the Falklands War, Argentine naval forces in the Falklands War, British ground forces in the Falklands War, British air services in the Falklands War, "British Task Force - Falklands War 1982", "RFA Sir Galahad - The Demise of a Gallant Knight", British Naval Forces of the Falklands War, https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=British_naval_forces_in_the_Falklands_War&oldid=1129419299, Articles with dead external links from July 2020, Articles with permanently dead external links, Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License 3.0. Charles H. Cramp, KMS O1 then proceeded to the westwards so as to pass the Straits of Gibraltar later. Reina del Pacifico (British, 17702 GRT, built 1931), You can help improve our commands section Brewer, RN), corvettes HMS Convolvulus (A/Lt.Cdr. They were escorted by the light cruiser HMS Aurora, destroyer HMS Wivern, corvettes HMS Gardenia, HMS Vetch and the motor launch HMS HDML 1139. The war needed to have been fought as long as the Argentinians held the Falklands. The second HMS Rhyl was marked F129. McNair, MBE, RNVR), HMS Inchcolm (Skr. Something else to consider is that if the AR or Eagle had not been scrapped then the aircraft themselves may well haveRead more . There is nothing at the site no wreck on the sea bed. Clark, DSC, RD RNR), 20 LCI(L)'s and 2 ML's. The real bit of what if history (if you like a we bit of fantasy) would be what would have happened if we had not cancelled the new carrier. First up, a navy with Ark Royal would be an utterly different navy. The indication to the Argentineans was that we no longer wanted/had the will to defend the islands. ' Leedstown, HMS Largs, landing ships, landing craft and escorts were then ordered to proceed to Sousse. L.S. 14 Buccaneer S2s, 12 Phantom FG1s, 4 Gannet AEW3, 1 Gannet COD4, 7 Sea king, and 2 Wessex helicopters. Sobo, N.A.F. Or have a friend or loved one who is? This convoy was assembled off Oversay on 23 October 1942. So nothing really changes then, with wholesale disposal of assets only to discover they are needed just a few years later. At the time that Ark Royal decommissioned one of the papersDaily Express I thinkgave readers the opportunity to buy a painting of the ship with its Phantoms and Buccaneers on the deck. Batory (Polish, 14287 GRT, built 1936), It was made up of the following transports; I have a couple of other lined up to read/listen to about the Falklands too. Moffatt, RNR), HMS Othello (T/Lt. Dempo (Dutch, 17024 GRT, built 1931), Fine condition! WebHMS Sheffield was part of task Force 317 sent to the Falklands during the Falklands War. HMS Eagle was the From memory the Argies were more bothered about getting In and established before a sub could be sent. Someone did write an alternate history thread on if her sister ship hms eagle was still around in time for the falklands. A memorial was subsequently erected to the lost crewmen on Berthas Beach which remains a popular site with British personnel stationed in the Falklands. The landing ship Derwentdale was also part of this convoy. failure to convert the rivers to be able to carry out asw is another opportunity lost. Via Matteotti, 3721040 Vedano Olona VA. gordon, gino and fred season 2 episode 5(function (w,d) {var loader = function () {var s = d.createElement("script"), tag = d.getElementsByTagName("script")[0]; s.src="https://cdn.iubenda.com/iubenda.js"; tag.parentNode.insertBefore(s,tag);}; if(w.addEventListener){w.addEventListener("load", loader, false);}else if(w.attachEvent){w.attachEvent("onload", loader);}else{w.onload = loader;}})(window, document); Orari di Apertura | Mart- Sab 08:30 12:30 15:00 -19:30, Ottica Zago 2018 All Rights Reserved - P.IVA 03256230123 -Design. R.S. His interests include strategy, grand strategy in the Middle East and the Asia Pacific, international relations and politics, maritime strategy, counter-terrorism, counter-insurgency warfare, and maritime policy. From Sfax, ' Convoy A ' sailed for the landings on Pantelleria. Ocean Wanderer (British, 7178 GRT, built 1942), Ocean Volga (British, 7174 GRT, built 1942), His book is a great read, but its also heavily biased. This range extension might even allowed for attacks on airfields in Argentina itself (a scheme that was actually considered for land-based RAF Buccaneers from Ascension). There is nothing at the site no wreck on the sea bed. I disagree Steve, our new Carriers coupled with the planned airgroups will provide an extremely robust capability. The Royal Navy was in a middle of another round of defence cuts which would have meant some of the capital ships including HMS Invincible would have been sold. Storyline: 4 ASRM. Convoy KMF A 1 was to pass the Strait of Gibraltar around 0100A/6; it was made up of the (troop) transports; This is the place for you, Everyones experience is unique, but find out what lifes been like for others here, Everything you need to know about joining the Royal Navy, in one place, instructions how to enable JavaScript in your web browser, Defence review will forge a growing Navy with expanding horizons. K.G. The convoy was escorted by the sloop HMS Stork, corvettes HMS Convolvulus, HMS Marigold, HMS Pentstemon, HMS Samphire [this corvette might have already parted company though, see below] and the minesweepers HMS Acute, HMS Alarm, HMS Albacore and HMS Cadmus. IIRC there were occasions where 25 de Mayo was unable to conduct operations due to the weather/sea state. However one realty remained that governed everything. Heimer, USCG) and USS Thomas Stone (Capt. Mooltan (British, 20952 GRT, built 1923), CATOBAR aircraft like the Phantom can only operate if the deck is pitching a few degrees. Case, DSC and Bar, RD, RNR), HMS Spey (Cdr. Cooke, RN), HMS Hussar (Lt. R.C. Group IV; HMS Royal Scotsman, HMS Royal Ulsterman and HMS Ulster Monarch. Empire Mordred (British, 7024 GRT, built 1942), Oliver is a student at the University of East Anglia studying for a PhD in International Security. Landing Craft (Utility) Foxtrot Four was the last Royal Navy vessel lost in the six-week war in the South Atlantic, attacked on the same day June 8 as the more well-known tragedy of Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram and the 200 casualties they suffered when bombed. This convoy was made up the headquarters ship HMS Largs (Cdr. I believed they even looked at an ocean going tug towing a Bulwark down there with strap on DG sets in containers fixed on board for power just to provide an extra flight deck. They made contact with their beacon submarine HMS P 48 (Lt. M.E. I think the simple answer to the headline is yes, as there would have been greater air cover and range to protect the ships in the fleet, with Argentina well aware of this fact they may not have invaded. KMF A1 was destined for Algiers and KMF O1 was destined for Oran. The 14 Phantoms and 14 Buccaneers would have been pressed very hard and the horrendous sea conditions in the South Atlantic might have well made launch and recovery impossible at times.. Ark Royal would have been a great asset in 82,with the benefit of hindsight. Fraser, RNR) and the motor launches HMS ML 280, HMS HDML 1127. During her last refit she was fitted for four Sea Cat missile launchers, but they were never installed, so she emerged from this refit with no defensive armament. Following Royal Navy service she was sunk as a target in 1985. Around 1120A/2, the destroyers HrMs Isaac Sweers (Capt. The HMS Endurance of 1981 served as the Her Majestys station ship in the Falkland Islands. Hopecrown (British, 5180 GRT, built 1937), Back: "Berwick" 7-79. Lacon, DSC, RN) departed Gibraltar to join convoy KMF A1 and relieve HMS Achates, HMS Antelope, HMS Amazon and HMS Wivern. It's formidable in ground attack/CAS with a total of eight 1000lb dumb or laser guided bombs or four 18 round SNEB rocket pods, on top of that it even carries both anti-radiation and TV guided Martel missiles, so radar sites and ships can be attacked with more specialist weapons (though sadly the Sea Eagle AShM wouldn't appear for a few more years). AR's Phantoms were certainly not equal to the dozens of Tomcats and Hornets the US carriers were cutting about with at the time but they were still solid aircraft, probably easily superior to the Argentine Daggers, Mirages and Skyhawks though numbers would be an issue, albeit one massively offset by each F-4 carrying 4 Skyflash SARH missiles plus 4 Sidewinders compared to the mere 2 Sidewinders of the Sea Harriers. In 1982, Plymouth was one of the first Royal Navy ships to arrive in the South Atlantic during the Falklands War. With them were also transports from convoy KMS A1. As British aviation historian Rowland White has argued: "In the end it was, as it so often is, more a numbers game than anything. Finally, During its last tour of duty, the aircraft complement of the. Williams, RNR) departed Gibraltar to join convoy KMS A1. City of Worcester, Empire Mordred, Lakin, DSC, RN) and HMS P 54 (Lt. C.E. Stewart, RNR) and the minesweepers HMS Acute (Lt.Cdr. C.L. But the large landing craft also saved many lives. HMS Rhyl was a Rothesay-class or Type 12I anti-submarine frigate of the Royal Navy, launched by Lady Macmillan on 23 February 1959 and commissioned in October 1960. Following Royal Navy service she was sunk as a target in 1985. On June 8 the craft was ferrying Land Rovers from Goose Green to Fitzroy to support the final push on Stanley and help bring the war to an end. However, as a military aviator I completely sympathize with his annoyance with bad operations orders, micromanagement, wondering what higher ups are thinking and if they have any idea of your role or capabilities, withholding of information by those above, poor communication from your superiors and a lack of intelligence information. G.H. Obviously a third carrier would have been beneficial and given us greater odds. But six weeks is a very long time to keep just twelve Phantoms and their crews flying without any possibility of reinforcement or replacement. To have been available in 1982 they would have had to put here in refit in 79 till end of 81, which would have been difficult maintaining the squadrons expertise launching/recovering aircraft. When did the US military officially adopt tank names? Lord Teynham, RN), HMS Velox (Lt. G.B. failure to learn from the past, increases the chances of those mistakes happening again, the two world wars and the fact that submarines could have starved the u.k into submission, the same threat applies today. Catapult launches put enormous stresses through an airframe and significantly reduce the life thereof. Ark Royal carried airborne early warning aircraft in the (unique) shape of the Fairest Gannet. J.B. Palmer, RN). Batory, Had we had a large carrier capable ofRead more . F.Y. My argument here is that with the ability to launch fixed-wing aircraft which HMS Ark Royal would have been able to, would have shifted the balance of power more favorably to the British Royal Navy, and provided even greater aircover while possibly deterring the war in the first place. R.V.E. In 1982, Plymouth was one of the first Royal Navy ships to arrive in the South Atlantic during the Falklands War. The turn had prevented the missile from striking the ship's side perpendicularly and penetrating; instead, it hit the deck The blast travelled forwards and down, and the missile body, still travelling forwards, penetrated the hangar door, causing the ship's fully fuelled and armed On the following day, repairs were made at sea and, after the Argentinian surrender on 14 June, more extensive repairs were undertaken in the sheltered bay of A Memorial was erected in 2011 in memory of the ship and the lost crew at Hookers Point outside Stanley.Her last active deployment for the Royal Navy was in 1983/4 and she was sent on the Armilla Patrol with MoD release detailing date and position of sinking, 25 July 2008 This was a Rothesay class anti-submarine frigate built at Portsmouth and completed in 1960. Our days of being able to project influence through our military are over. We (in 1982) are a major NATO nation, a nuclear power with multiple tactical nukes as well as Polaris. 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